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Sue Fox Named  in the "Top Ten" Most -Significant Female Boxers of All Time - Ring Magazine - Feb. 2012

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Sue TL Fox, the creator of WBAN (Women Boxing Archive Network), boxed from 1976 - 1979, and is now a retired police officer as of 2008 from the State of Oregon. Fox was one of the top past female boxers in the world. She was recently honored by being named in the Commemorative Issue 2012 Ring Magazine, February 2012 issue, as Top-Ten Most Influential female boxers of all time.  In 2008, Fox was awarded by USA Boxing for her contributions in developing the sport.  Fox has assisted and continues to assist many television Shows, news media with supplying research, interviews, and putting them in contact with women boxers.  Fox Talks about her beginnings in the sport when BOXING IN THE LATE 70's was NOT cool!  
 
 

Past World Boxing Ranking
1977 - 1988 -Boxing IlIustrated Magazine
(Link to Magazine documentation)

 
 

1980 - #3 World Middleweight  (WBBA & WBB)

 
 

1979 - #1 World  Super Welterweight (WBBA & WBB)

 
  1978 - #2 World Welterweight (WBBA & WBB)  
 

1977 -   #3 World Welterweight  (WBB)

 
 
 

Amateur - Martial Arts
Full Contact Karate - 1973 - 1978
Undefeated Full-contact Karate fighter

 
     
  1977-1978 - Northwest Full-Contact Karate Champion
 
 
   30 plus amateur karate (light contact and full contact) bouts in various Karate tournaments in the Northwest  








 
 


In Sue Fox's Own Words.....

I found out about female boxing when I watched the news one day on October 24, 1975.  They were broadcasting the results of a female bout that had just taken place the night before between boxers, Caroline Svendsen, 34, and Jean Lange, 35, at the Expo Center, in Portland, Oregon.   The news revealed that the fight was the first sanctioned female bout in the State of Oregon.  When they reported that the women were paid to fight, it immediately hit me that I was actually paying to fight in karate tournaments!  I had at that time about 30 plus amateur fights in Martial Arts, competing in many karate tournaments throughout the Northwest.


Fox won this Karate bout by points - about 1974

The next day, I started calling around to the boxing gyms to find out how a person would go about becoming a boxer.  I ended up talking to a guy, Abe T., who supposedly managed fighters.  He immediately volunteered to take me under his wing as a manager.

Little did I know,  my newly-found manager did not appear to have my interest at heart.  
This period of my career can be referred to as a period with my not so honest interim management. Being young and new to the sport I knew that I needed management and a trainer, but I did not know anyone in the business. Abe's enthusiasm and immediate acceptance of me probably should have been a warning sign, but I wanted to fight!

Abe told me that he would get me a fight with a girl by the name of Theresa "Red Star" Kibby.   He said that Kibby had never had a fight, had been only boxing casually for two years and was not in very good shape.   I had wanted to fight Caroline Svendsen, and/or Jean Lang. 

It was quite a publicity gimmick--
female black belt against female boxer.   The news media went into a frenzy about the match and did several feature stories about the upcoming fight.   There was quite a bit of hype over the whole ordeal.   My newly-found "manager" never even bothered to get me a boxing trainer.   He let me continue to train at my karate school with my karate
instructor, no boxing ring, no proper boxing equipment—nothing. The fight was set  to go on February 12, 1976, so with about 10 weeks of boxing training in a karate school, I was placed against Kibby.

Two days before my fight, I began to read newspaper articles in the local papers about my opponent's background.  I quickly found out that Kibby had not been boxing for two years---she had been boxing for close to thirteen years with her two brothers, who were also professional boxers.   In fact, one of the brothers was listed on the same boxing card as Kibby and me.   

After I got over the shock of the unexpected information,  I immediately called my manager to find out why he had not told me the truth. He tried to calm my fears.   He then "sprung" another new piece of information on me.  He told me that the fight would be four three-minute rounds, not two-minute rounds as originally agreed upon. I quickly figured out that "he was definitely the best man on their team."   It was not only sad to have a person, my supposed manager, have my best interest at heart, and if this deception man had that, he never would have put me in this match until I had been boxing for at least two years. 


 I had never fought inside of a boxing ring, training only in a karate gym with a karate instructor for only 3-4 months, never had my hands wrapped until the night of the fight, and had never fought without using my legs---had not a clue how to box...

Needless to say, this was no "Rocky" story, and the bout was a disaster. The referee stopped the fight in the third round, after I was too stubborn to fall down.  What was unfortunate for me and for other martial artists was that everybody thought that I would win because of being a black belt. They did not realize that I had been duped, and by taking away my powerful leg kicks, I was just a "bad boxer."

I did recoup from my "not-so-great" start in professional boxing.  I moved down to California to get into a boxing gym with a competent boxing trainer and manager.   I found a gym in Westminster, California, that World Welterweight Champion, Carlos Palomino trained at.  The first day I walked in, I approached one of the trainers, and asked him if I could use the gym to train.   He reluctantly said that I could.  I told him that I would start the following day.

The next day,  I took my equipment to the gym and started warming up.  All of the male fighters completely ignored me. They walked to the shower area in their underwear, acting like I did not exist.  After about a half hour or so, one of the trainers approached me and asked me if I wanted to go four rounds with one of their fighters.   I was eager to do that because I thought, "all right" they are going to accept me in the gym.  I put my headgear and gloves on, my sparring partner got his equipment on, and we proceeded to spar four three-minute rounds. This little fighter who was much lighter than me, probably a bantamweight, proceeded to kick the wholly daylights out of me, even with a head gear on.   I got body punched, hooked, and who knows what else during those four rounds.

At the end of the fourth round, my body felt like someone had just put me through a meat grinder.  I was exhausted, and shocked at what a beating I just took.  Even though I was hurting, I went to my sparring partner and shook his hands while still gloved up. I thanked him for sparring with me, and told him that I would like to spar with him the following day.  Little did he know that,  THAT was  the last thing  I wanted to do!

The next day before going to the gym, I dreaded having to face him again in the ring.   I knew that if I failed to show up at the gym that I would never save face in the gym.  I decided then that if I had to take a "beating" everyday from those fighters, I would. I loved boxing that much.

The following day, I walked in the gym, ready to take my punishment. To my amazement, the guy that beat me up the previous day was not there. I cannot even begin to tell you how relieved I was, and I didn’t care to ask why he was not in the gym.  After about a week of not seeing him though, my curiosity got the better of me and I asked one of the trainers  what happened to him. He proceeded to tell me that my "sparring partner" was  instructed to KNOCK ME OUT, and that when he was unable to do that, he was too humiliated to return to the gym. I never saw that fighter again.

 I trained for about 9-12 months in Carlos Palomino's gym, and during that entire time, I did not have one conversation with Carlos other than, "Hi and bye."  His trainer did finally break down and say one thing to me.   I was thrilled when he called me over to the side of the ring while I was sparring with someone.   I immediately went to where he was standing and he then proceeded to tell me that he wanted to give me a word of advice.   He said to me that if I could not "at least" jog five miles a day, to quit boxing.  Palomino's trainer woke me up with that startling statement.  I was running about three miles a day, but it was obvious to him that it was not nearly enough.  From that day forward, I added another three miles on the road at night. 


A fighter that I deeply admire and fought in 1977- Gwen Gemini - she was one of the best women boxers in the sport

Even though I did receive a little notoriety as a boxer, there were many setbacks in the 1970's,  during my boxing career.  One of the major setbacks for me and other female boxers was when Top Rank made an offer to me and other top contenders.  (Letter of offered to Kibby, I was offered the same deal)  They wanted to sign us for a one-year contract, guaranteeing us three national fights, paying us $15,000, whether we fought or not.  I was told that the reason they later withdrew their offer was the negative feedback from the public  after the airing of the (Sports Spectacular) televised nationally a Welterweight Championship fight between Teresa Kibby and Lavonne Ludian at the Aladdin Hotel in Las Vegas, Nevada on April 16, 1977.  What they didn't know was that even though Ludian had the flu and was very ill, that she fought anyway.  

Another setback for my career, was when I was offered a fight with Lavonne Ludian, and her manager would not accept a rematch with me at the Caesar's Palace in Las Vegas in 1977.  I had fought Ludian on May 1, 1977,  previously at the Sahara Tahoe, in  Lake Tahoe, Nevada. [Fight Report] This was a venue that was a hometown for Ludian.  The fight ended in a four-round controversial draw. I had almost knocked her out in the first round according to the Nevada State Journal, who wrote that Ludian admitted to seeing the lights of Vegas.  This fight was also named "Fight of the Month" according to Dee Knuckles and Bill Dickson.  I was later offered to fight her on a big card that was headlining Ernie Shavers at the Caesar's Palace, in Las Vegas, Nevada.  Mr. T Promotions offered Ludian $5,000, and me $2,500. Ludian turned down the fight according to promoter Bill Dickson.  

I decided to hang up the gloves after it became obvious that female boxing was starting to die out.  I went back to college to pursue my dream of becoming a police officer.  Many boxers decide to go back to school after they've reached a certain point in their boxing career.  I worked different jobs, until I finally was hired in March of 1990 as a police officer.  [Miscellaneous fight report]


In my last band that ended in February 2011, I played a Duet with a fellow male lead singer/guitar player

I also pursued other ambitions, playing music professionally since 1981 until 2011, singing, playing alto sax, bass guitar, and keyboards in various rock & roll, Top 40, and variety bands. 

In the year 2002, it was a great honor to be asked to be featured in the 2002 Brown Prizefighters Collection cards, along with many of the well-known male boxers and female boxers that included Alex "The Bronx Bomber" Ramos, Oquendo, Paz, Brian Viloria, Ricky Hatton, Jermain Taylor, Christy Martin, Sumya Anani, and more.

On June 13, 2008, at the Isleta Casino & Resort, in Albuquerque, New Mexico,  on the televised PPV event “FINALLY”---WBAN “Finally” made its own history in the sport.  WBAN celebrated its 10-year anniversary of being live on the net as of June 2008---felt that what better way to celebrate those 10 years then to honor the women boxers with a prestigious award belt for being the best of the best in the sport.  Never before have women boxers received an independent World Title belt, for being the “Best of the Best”, and having an opportunity to fight for an elite independent belt.  Ring Magazine does it for male boxers-and it was time that WBAN did it for female boxers.  


Holly Holm makes history with WBAN as one of the first belt holders
for our belt - June 2008.  The fight was televised on Pay-Per-View in Albuquerque, New Mexico - photo by Lori Steinhorst


Chevelle Hallback makes history with WBAN as one of the first belt holders for our belt - June 2008.  The fight was televised on Pay-Per-View in Albuquerque, New Mexico - photo by Lori Steinhorst

On this night, WBAN awarded two women boxers in its "history first".  One WBAN belt was awarded to Holly Holm, after she defeated Mary Jo Sanders in a 10-round unanimous decision.   In a second bout, WBAN awarded the best of the best, between Chevelle Hallback vs. Jeannine Garside.  Hallback received the belt after winning a 10-round unanimous decision over Garside--leaving no doubt that this was the “Fight of the Night.” 

In July of 2010, I was featured in the book, "Extraordinary Women in the Ring", by Mary Ann Owen, along with great world champions, Laila Ali, Christy Martin, Sumya Anani, and many more. It was a great honor to be included in this tribute book by Owen.   


Photo:  Mary Ann Owen - Lamare holds up WBAN Belt

On October 9, 2009, in a history-first in Europe, in Marseilles, France, Myriam Lamare of France, faced Ann Marie Saccurato. Lamare not only won the WBF Junior Welterweight World title, but also the FIRST WBAN Junior Welterweight Independent belt that had been awarded out of the United States.  Lamare and Saccurato made history for WBAN by fighting for the first WBAN Independent belt in Europe. 


Ann Marie Saccurato (left),  Holly Holm (right)

On December 3, 2010, WBAN again made its own history when Holly Holm fought Ann Marie Saccurato for the WBAN junior welterweight title, as it was the first time that WBAN had two boxers fighting a "second time" for our belt.

Holly Holm was already the WBAN Junior Middleweight belt when she had fought Mary Jo Sanders in June of 2008.  Saccurato had fought for the junior welterweight title over a year prior, fighting Myriam Lamare, who [Lamare] ultimately won. On this date of December 3rd,  Holm defeated Saccurato by a eighth round TKO, and she became the first female boxer in history to win two WBAN Belts!


Sue TL Fox presents WBAN Welterweight Belt
to Mathis.  Dean Chance gave the IBA belt to Mathis.
Photo by SteveSnowden.com

In yet another history-first with the WBAN belt, Holly Holm fought a third time for a WBAN belt, and it would be ultimately for the WBAN Welterweight world title.  Holm fought Anne Sophie Mathis on December 3, 2011, and lost that fight by being stopped by Mathis by KO.  Mathis from France is currently our WBAN Welterweight champion.


Sue Fox Named  in the "Top Ten" Most -Significant Female Boxers of
All Time - Ring Magazine - Feb. 2012

In 2012, it was one of the greatest honors to be named one of the top ten female boxers of all time to be the Most-Influential in the sport, by Ring Magazine, 90 year anniversary commemorative Issue, February 2012. [Link]

Other highlights.. Undefeated Full-Contact fighter earning two Northwest Championships, 1977-1978;  three years amateur competition in Karate tournaments, with about 30 plus entered tournaments, before boxing professionally. Earned black belt in 1975; 1976-First woman in the State of Washington to obtain a boxing license; 1977-First woman licensed in State of Utah; and 1976-First woman licensed in the State of Montana.  Ranked #1 in the world by the WBB and WBBA as a welterweight (Champion spot was vacant); Ranked #2 Welterweight 1978; Ranked #3 in 1977.   In 1977, two fights were named "Fighter of the month".  Charlene Anthony vs. Sue Fox, Silver Slipper, in Las Vegas, Nevada.  Also, Lavonne Ludian vs. Sue Fox, Sahara's Tahoe Resort, Lake Tahoe, Nevada. Appeared on the "Tomorrow  Show with Tom Snyder" and featured on other television news stations and features in the Northwest.  [Tl Fox's (Boxing Illustrated Magazine) Ranking]

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